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Entry level machines are built to a price point so precision fits and run out are at the bottom of the priorities list. As precision goes up so does the price. More expensive materials are needed and much there is much, much more labor involved in their design and manufacturing.

KF 20 Technical specifications                                      
  • Drilling capacity in steel 13 mm
    Face mill capacity max. 30 mm
    End mill capacity max. 16 mm
    Distance spindle to column 165 mm
    Distance spindle to table 100 - 290 mm
    Spindle speed, stepless L= 0 - 1000 rpm
    H= 0 - 2500 rpm
    Spindle taper MT 3
    Table size 385 x 90 mm
    Travel (x / y) 235 / 100 mm
    Mill head tiltable -45° to +45°
    Height adjustment of mill head 190 mm
    T-slot size 12 mm
    Motor power output S1 100% 0,35 kW / 230 V
    Motor power input S6 40% 0,55 kW / 230 V
    Machine dimension (W x D x H) 510 x 550 x 760 mm
    Weight approx. 50 kg

KF 16 L Vario Technical specifications
  • Drilling capacity in steel 16 mm
    Face mill capacity max. 50 mm
    End mill capacity max. 16 mm
    Distance spindle to column 170 mm
    Distance spindle to table 275 mm
    Spindle stroke 50 mm
    Spindle speed, stepless 50 - 1125 / 100 - 2250 rpm
    Spindle taper MT 2
    Table size 500 x 140 mm
    Travel (x / y) 365 / 140 mm
    Mill head tiltable -90° to +90°
    Height adjustment mill head 200 mm
    T-slot size 10 mm
    Motor power output S1 100% 0,50 kW / 230 V
    Motor power input S6 40% 0,80 kW / 230 V
    Machine dimensions (W x D x H)* 610 x 500 x 820 mm
    Weight approx. 65 kg
    *without stand

Quote:The biggest parts I think I will work with would be around 200 X 40 X 350 mm.

Using your dimensions from your original post as an example look at the table travels given for both machines. The travel shows the maximum amount of movement for the table end to end. The KF 20 table moves a total of 235mm (in the X-axis) which means you cannot traverse the full length of a 350mm long part. It can be done in multiple setups by working on half of the length, then removing the part from the table and shifting it to the side to finish the other half.

The KF 16 on the other hand would be able to reach both ends of the 350mm long part without having to move the part on the table. For a vise I would suggest you go with 100mm jaws. I think this would be a good size that would serve you well on both machines. I would be somewhat partial to the PS 100 myself. If you were working on small model sized parts a 50 or 75mm vice would be OK, but for general shop use I would want something larger. Smiley-gen163
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