Annealed 4140
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Positive rake inserts will always be around because they're most-often used in small diameter boring bars where you'd need the additional side clearance angle in smaller bores. They also come in small sizes, down to at least a tiny CPGT1.51.2-PM2 that I have for a 1/4" boring bar. It's a 3/16" I.C. size. No way would any negative rake insert I know of work in the minimum bore size that bar can do, which is .310".

Here's another reason for them, in larger I.C. sizes. A negative rake profiling tool such as the MVJNR-163D holder carrying a VNMG331 insert shown in the photo below can (technically speaking) only turn in the direction that it's tipped to a negative angle, as the back edge is then just rubbing. By contrast, a similar shape positive rake insert such as a VBGT331 would sit flat on the holder and have 5º side clearance angle all the way around. Now you can easily use that tool to "back turn", where a VNMG couldn't do well.

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There *is* only one type of negative rake insert I've ever seen for really small work, and it wors well. That's a solid carbide internal insert-type threading bar. It's smallest recommended bore is also .310".

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Thanks given by: Mayhem , EdK


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Annealed 4140 - by EdK - 01-06-2013, 05:49 PM
RE: Annealed 4140 - by Sunset Machine - 01-06-2013, 07:03 PM
RE: Annealed 4140 - by f350ca - 01-06-2013, 08:19 PM
RE: Annealed 4140 - by PixMan - 01-06-2013, 10:06 PM
RE: Annealed 4140 - by EdK - 01-07-2013, 08:07 AM
RE: Annealed 4140 - by TomG - 01-06-2013, 11:20 PM
RE: Annealed 4140 - by Mayhem - 01-07-2013, 08:23 AM
RE: Annealed 4140 - by EdK - 01-07-2013, 12:51 PM
RE: Annealed 4140 - by TomG - 01-07-2013, 08:42 AM
RE: Annealed 4140 - by PixMan - 01-07-2013, 05:56 PM
RE: Annealed 4140 - by EdK - 01-07-2013, 06:17 PM
RE: Annealed 4140 - by PixMan - 01-07-2013, 06:38 PM
RE: Annealed 4140 - by Mayhem - 01-08-2013, 07:40 AM
RE: Annealed 4140 - by EdK - 01-11-2013, 04:54 PM
RE: Annealed 4140 - by PixMan - 01-11-2013, 05:11 PM
RE: Annealed 4140 - by EdK - 01-12-2013, 12:31 PM
RE: Annealed 4140 - by TomG - 01-12-2013, 01:32 PM
RE: Annealed 4140 - by EdK - 01-12-2013, 02:27 PM
RE: Annealed 4140 - by TomG - 01-12-2013, 05:18 PM
RE: Annealed 4140 - by PixMan - 01-12-2013, 06:58 PM
RE: Annealed 4140 - by EdK - 01-12-2013, 08:31 PM
RE: Annealed 4140 - by PixMan - 01-12-2013, 09:11 PM
RE: Annealed 4140 - by EdK - 01-12-2013, 10:25 PM
RE: Annealed 4140 - by bobm4360 - 01-13-2013, 04:19 AM
RE: Annealed 4140 - by PixMan - 01-13-2013, 08:39 AM
RE: Annealed 4140 - by EdK - 01-13-2013, 10:05 AM
RE: Annealed 4140 - by PixMan - 01-13-2013, 11:52 AM
RE: Annealed 4140 - by EdK - 01-14-2013, 01:47 PM
RE: Annealed 4140 - by PixMan - 01-14-2013, 01:53 PM
RE: Annealed 4140 - by EdK - 01-14-2013, 02:26 PM
RE: Annealed 4140 - by PixMan - 01-14-2013, 03:46 PM
RE: Annealed 4140 - by EdK - 01-14-2013, 04:12 PM
RE: Annealed 4140 - by Mayhem - 01-14-2013, 05:33 PM
RE: Annealed 4140 - by EdK - 01-14-2013, 06:37 PM
RE: Annealed 4140 - by EdK - 01-14-2013, 07:17 PM
RE: Annealed 4140 - by Sunset Machine - 01-15-2013, 08:37 AM
RE: Annealed 4140 - by EdK - 01-15-2013, 08:45 AM
RE: Annealed 4140 - by EdK - 01-15-2013, 08:51 AM
RE: Annealed 4140 - by DaveH - 01-15-2013, 10:07 AM
RE: Annealed 4140 - by stevec - 01-15-2013, 10:50 AM
RE: Annealed 4140 - by EdK - 01-15-2013, 12:41 PM
RE: Annealed 4140 - by PixMan - 01-15-2013, 10:40 AM
RE: Annealed 4140 - by EdK - 01-15-2013, 12:36 PM
RE: Annealed 4140 - by f350ca - 01-15-2013, 12:11 PM
RE: Annealed 4140 - by DaveH - 01-15-2013, 04:13 PM
RE: Annealed 4140 - by EdK - 01-15-2013, 06:04 PM
RE: Annealed 4140 - by PixMan - 01-15-2013, 07:46 PM
RE: Annealed 4140 - by EdK - 01-16-2013, 07:24 AM
RE: Annealed 4140 - by PixMan - 01-16-2013, 07:35 AM
RE: Annealed 4140 - by EdK - 01-16-2013, 07:54 AM
RE: Annealed 4140 - by stevec - 01-16-2013, 08:13 AM
RE: Annealed 4140 - by EdK - 01-16-2013, 09:54 AM
RE: Annealed 4140 - by Mayhem - 01-16-2013, 09:55 AM
RE: Annealed 4140 - by EdK - 01-16-2013, 10:09 AM
RE: Annealed 4140 - by Mayhem - 01-17-2013, 07:19 AM
RE: Annealed 4140 - by bobm4360 - 01-18-2013, 12:26 AM
RE: Annealed 4140 - by EdK - 01-18-2013, 07:15 AM
RE: Annealed 4140 - by f350ca - 01-18-2013, 08:42 PM
RE: Annealed 4140 - by EdK - 01-18-2013, 08:44 PM
RE: Annealed 4140 - by PixMan - 01-18-2013, 09:06 PM
RE: Annealed 4140 - by EdK - 01-18-2013, 09:28 PM
RE: Annealed 4140 - by f350ca - 01-19-2013, 09:34 PM
RE: Annealed 4140 - by EdK - 01-20-2013, 08:51 AM
RE: Annealed 4140 - by PixMan - 01-20-2013, 12:13 PM
RE: Annealed 4140 - by stevec - 01-20-2013, 12:42 PM
RE: Annealed 4140 - by f350ca - 01-20-2013, 02:36 PM
RE: Annealed 4140 - by stevec - 01-20-2013, 05:17 PM
RE: Annealed 4140 - by f350ca - 01-20-2013, 06:37 PM
RE: Annealed 4140 - by Mayhem - 01-21-2013, 07:55 AM
RE: Annealed 4140 - by Highpower - 01-21-2013, 11:01 AM
RE: Annealed 4140 - by f350ca - 01-21-2013, 08:58 PM
RE: Annealed 4140 - by PixMan - 01-21-2013, 09:51 PM
RE: Annealed 4140 - by Mayhem - 01-22-2013, 08:24 AM
RE: Annealed 4140 - by PixMan - 01-22-2013, 07:45 PM



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