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LIL' HOGGERS - aRM - 04-12-2016
Hi Guys
Really hope somebody has had experience with these ( pictured ) or knows better.
We want to buy a Set of these from the Canadian Suppliers who know a lot less about which are the compatible CARBIDE INSERTS, besides the TNMA, SNMA and RNMA series which fit these HOGGERS.
We were thinking of using the TNMG (SNMG) 160404 331/332 Series, but were told by another good insert Supplier that they just might be too thick for these "LIL HOGGERS".
These look a lot better than the ones sold on Eeeek !!!
However, we just can't seem to be able to elicit a reasonably intelligent response from the Suppliers, who are not locals anyway.
Seeing these are sold Your side of the pond the METRIC ISO 160404 Series just might not fit the Imperials.
We wonder if the Guru here, MR PIXMAN, might have a better suggestion for a whole different Toolholder ???
If anybody does, He ought to know what's best
And we will appreciate some direction in this quandary.
These HOGGERS are advertised for good feed/Cut application and we hope our machine will be able to handle that seeing they are only an Inch in Diameter.
Looking forward to some serious enlightenment here as we are just about going crazy with both the Suppliers.
Thanks a stack in advance
aRM
RE: LIL' HOGGERS - johnnyc14 - 04-12-2016
The Accusize web site lists the triangle ones as TNMA322, lots of those on ebay. They list the square ones as SNAM322 but that's a typo. It should be SNMA322, also lots of those on ebay. The round ones are listed as RANMA322, which I believe should be RNMA32 like these ones on ebay.
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/New-World-Products-RNMA-32-Mk2-C2-Uncoated-Turning-Carbide-Inserts-10pcs-/231561995667?hash=item35ea2ba593:g:rFwAAOSwgkRVVPUX
I have dealt with Accusize and I don't have anything positive to say about them.
John
RE: LIL' HOGGERS - aRM - 04-12-2016
(04-12-2016, 11:19 AM)johnnyc14 Wrote: The Accusize web site lists the triangle ones as TNMA322, lots of those on ebay. They list the square ones as SNAM322 but that's a typo. It should be SNMA322, also lots of those on ebay. The round ones are listed as RANMA322, which I believe should be RNMA32 like these ones on ebay.
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/New-World-Products-RNMA-32-Mk2-C2-Uncoated-Turning-Carbide-Inserts-10pcs-/231561995667?hash=item35ea2ba593:g:rFwAAOSwgkRVVPUX
I have dealt with Accusize and I don't have anything positive to say about them.
John
Hello there JOHN
Thanks for the early response.
Yup. We did see thru' those typos !!!
Glad U pointed out that there are quite a few Suppliers of the TNMA Series. Will look these up and see what gives. Maybe we can then make a positive move from thereon.
The alternate we see is SHARS. And their Quality don't look too appealing either, even at a much cheaper Price. We did Buy Tooling from them previously. Nothing to write home about - sadly !!!
aRM
RE: LIL' HOGGERS - schor - 04-12-2016
I have not tried those little hoggers but the inserts are cheap and readily available. I have bought from accusize before and I personally have never had a problem. I know I am getting a chinese product and luckily I can go directly to their place in Markham and inspect the merchandise before I decide to buy.
RE: LIL' HOGGERS - the penguin - 04-12-2016
I have a set of the Lil Hoggers, they came from CDCO, I've used them a couple of times, they seem to work okay, not a go-to tool, but they are very workable.
RE: LIL' HOGGERS - PixMan - 04-14-2016
I'll never use a carbide insert milling cutter that takes turning inserts because the geometry and grades just aren't right for milling.
If it works for you and inserts are dirt cheap...go right ahead.
Anyone got a link to the maker of those? I don't think it's a good idea to screw down an insert that's got a straight hole, that's why screw-down inserts have a countersunk hole. Far more secure.
RE: LIL' HOGGERS - aRM - 04-14-2016
(04-14-2016, 01:22 PM)PixMan Wrote: I'll never use a carbide insert milling cutter that takes turning inserts because the geometry and grades just aren't right for milling.
If it works for you and inserts are dirt cheap...go right ahead.
Anyone got a link to the maker of those? I don't think it's a good idea to screw down an insert that's got a straight hole, that's why screw-down inserts have a countersunk hole. Far more secure.
That says it all !!!
I don't think these Cutters would be worth the trouble even if the Inserts are "dirt cheap".
Learnt our lesson Years ago when we tried converting a wooden Bandsaw into Metal Cutting. Was just not the same even with a Gear-driven Motor et al !!!
Thanks for the heads up.
However, would be nice to have had Your ideas on what's a good small sized 2-Insert Face Mill !!!
Kind regards
aRM
RE: LIL' HOGGERS - PixMan - 04-15-2016
(04-14-2016, 02:09 PM)aRM Wrote: However, would be nice to have had Your ideas on what's a good small sized 2-Insert Face Mill !!!
Kind regards
aRM
Are you looking for a 2" face mill or are you wanting a 2" (90º) shoulder mill?
And how much would you be willing to invest for a high quality tool?
RE: LIL' HOGGERS - aRM - 04-15-2016
(04-15-2016, 05:39 AM)PixMan Wrote:(04-14-2016, 02:09 PM)aRM Wrote: However, would be nice to have had Your ideas on what's a good small sized 2-Insert Face Mill !!!
Kind regards
aRM
Are you looking for a 2" face mill or are you wanting a 2" (90º) shoulder mill?
And how much would you be willing to invest for a high quality tool?
No, Sir
To recap - 2" we already have in a 3 Insert which (Walter) U asked us to purchase last year with the Inserts
We are thinking more on the lines of a One Incher with 2 Inserts and which ever will Machine faster on our Bridgeport clone - Face or 90 Degree Shoulder. U know better.
Yes - we also accept, as U stated elsewhere, Your commendable Tooling is always an (formidable) Investment, given that we will have to fork out Premium Currency conversion Rates - with ours in the doldrums presently.
Do let us have some ballpark figures to mull over. Like the man said - just depends how deep one can dig in one's pocket
And cut our cloth accordingly !!!
TIA
aRM
RE: LIL' HOGGERS - Mayhem - 04-15-2016
Hi aRM - are you going to use this mill up to a 90° shoulder or only ever face milling? The reason Ken asked is because a lot of face mills use inserts that will not enable you to mill up to a 90° shoulder.
If you take a look at the picture of the three mills in your original post, only the last one (triangular insert) would allow this.
You can face mill with a shoulder mill but you cannot always shoulder mill with a face mill.